Article 8908 of rec.music.makers.synth: Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Path: news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!jonul From: jonul@microsoft.com (Jon Ulrigg) Subject: Re: Performer and defragmentation and stuff Message-ID: <1993Jul19.160646.14475@microsoft.com> Date: 19 Jul 93 16:06:46 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation References: Keywords: performer defragmentation, stuff Lines: 28 In article dce@netcom.com (David Elliott) writes: > >A number of people have stated that they have defragmented their disks >with Performer (or another, similarly-protected program) without any >problems. My belief, based on my understanding of how this scheme >works, is that this was luck on their part. Simply put, the blocks >that the copy-protection scheme cared about were not moved, so nothing >happened. > >The best procedure I've heard to deal with this is to partition your >disk and put the copy-protected software on its own partition, and >never optimize that partition. >-- What I've seen done to defeat this is use a software partitioner like MultiDisk to create a partition to install your copy protected software to. MultiDisk creates an invisible file on your hard drive that you can use ResEdit to make visible. Whala, a file you can duplicate as many times as you like. This file you can backup, copy, do whatever you like, your not changing the partition that loads when you use the extension to load it. Just an FYI, this works very well. Jon -- -------------------------------------------------------- |My employer takes full responsibility for all opinions | |expressed by me and anyone using this account- NOT!! | -------------------------------------------------------- Article 8912 of rec.music.makers.synth: Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Path: news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!rtech!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!metlay From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Subject: Re: Performer and defragmentation and stuff Message-ID: Summary: defeating partition copying? Keywords: performer defragmentation, stuff Organization: Atomic City References: <1993Jul19.160646.14475@microsoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 20:38:07 GMT Lines: 28 In article <1993Jul19.160646.14475@microsoft.com> jonul@microsoft.com (Jon Ulrigg) writes: >What I've seen done to defeat this is use a software partitioner >like MultiDisk to create a partition to install your >copy protected software to. MultiDisk creates an invisible >file on your hard drive that you can use ResEdit to make >visible. Whala, a file you can duplicate as many times >as you like. This file you can backup, copy, do whatever >you like, your not changing the partition that loads when >you use the extension to load it. > >Just an FYI, this works very well. So far it does, yes. But now the evidence seems to be that the folks at MOTU and Opcode, in their slavish pursuit of the one truly boneheaded thing that they both agree on (copy protection), have devised a means of preventing this workaround. If you have to install the software on the boot partition, as Nick claims, you can't use this trick. Or am I way off base here? I'm going to try to install the new Galaxy upgrade on the partition meant for it in my Mac. If it won't install, well, end of upgrade path until Opcode wises up, I guess. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TECH SUPPORT ANSWER OF THE WEEK: "You can not afraid to do it, because MIDI is optocoupled. Until no message is actually transmitted, there shouldn't be no unexpected effect too, because the current loop is unactive at idle time (take care on the 'active sensing')." Is this a thing of beauty or WHAT? Article 8875 of rec.music.makers.synth: Path: news.service.uci.edu!usc!wupost!uunet!mcsun!uknet!warwick!qmw-dcs!qmw!demon!cassiel.demon.co.uk!cassiel Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (C A S S I E L) X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Yes, copy-protection and installation CAN get worse Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 22:53:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9307172347.aa09148@post.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 49 >Actually, Galaxy uses the new scheme now... Well, I'm currently working with the Performer 4.2 installation. A clever little scheme. Too clever for its own good, in fact. I hate installer scripts. The application has to go on the startup partition, which means I'll have to mess around resizing my boot partition in order to make enough space - I always keep boot partitions as small as possible. Then I can copy the application to the appropriate partition ... well, no I can't, because there isn't any room for it any more. I can only make room by trying to resize the boot partition down again: but is that going to then crap all over the partition authorisation and lose the installation? Who knows? I want to run Performer on the PowerBook 100, so I've SCSI cross-mounted the PB100 hard disk to get this off the ground because I don't have a floppy drive for it. (This of course means the installation will probably be wrong because the PB disk has to be mounted on the SE/30 or the PowerBook 170, and if it's the latter then the installer will probably put the modem port hack in place, which is inappropriate for the PB100.) And the installer insists on installing its own fonts, which screws my system up because I use a font manager. And it will want to install MOTU's own serial port fixer if installed from the PowerBook 170, which will probably hose OMS completely. And I can't just copy the files across because they're stored in some proprietary compressed/segmented format. I'm rapidly going off this shit. Nick. PS: The installation has just failed. You can't authorise a boot partition on a SCSI-mounted machine (such as a PB100 from an SE/30) and then run Performer on that machine. That means I can't use Performer at all on the PowerBook 100 since I don't have a floppy drive for it. If you own a Duo, you might well be screwed. PPS: Nope, I can't remove the install-key either. The problem is probably that I installed onto a boot partition from one machine (SE/30) and then booted the second machine (PB100), which might have written a fresh modification date on the volume. Well, that's one key disk dead. PPPS: Nope. Can't even do a straight installation on the SE/30. Installation/deinstallation works but the application refuses to run. I suggest MOTU and Opcode hire some more staff for their technical support hotlines, because they're going to need them. Nick Rothwell | We seek him here, we seek him there, CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | Those Frenchies seem him everywhere. cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk | Is he in heaven ?--Is he in hell ? cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk | That demmed, elusive Pimpernel ? Article 8928 of rec.music.makers.synth: Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Path: news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!gsusgi1.gsu.edu!gsusgi1.gsu.edu!musjndx From: musjndx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Jonathan N. Deitch) Subject: Re: Yes, copy-protection and installation CAN get worse Message-ID: Organization: Georgia State University References: <9307172347.aa09148@post.demon.co.uk> <22et7p$os6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 01:32:27 GMT Lines: 36 pedro@roadrunner.WPI.EDU (>*>*- The Cat -*<*<) writes: >AND..... How about when you have Studio Vision 1.44 installed on your HD and >your HD becomes infected by a new, indocumented strain of the T4 virus!!??? >You lose your installation!!! There is no way to de-install without infecting >the key disk!!!! And you know what??? Opcode charged me $20 to get a new >, uncorrupted set of key disks!!! If it weren't for their god damned copy The following trick will usually work on Opcode applications to avoid using the key disk (note ... this is NOT a crack ... you still have to own the original key disk ...) : Use an old copy of Central Point's Copy II Mac bitcopy program to make a sector copy of the original key disk. Now run the original key disk and, upon reaching the install screen, use a paper clip to pop the disk out and replace it with the copy. Now install. If all works well, the install will be deducted from the copy, not the original, thus saving your neck at the next hard drive crash. Please note : I do not in any way condone software copying ... this method is NOT meant for you to make illegal installs of someone else's software! - Jonathan -- Internet: musjndx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu Fidonet: Jonathan Deitch@1:133/411.7 jdeitch@gisatl.fidonet.org Bellnet: 1 - (404) - 261 - 3665 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta 1996 !! | Play Pinball !! | Don't Panic ! | "I hate it when I can't --------------------------------------------------| trust my own technology!" "Thrills! Chills! Magic! Prizes!" -- Hurricane | -- Geordi LaForge Gene Roddenberry, Isaac Asimov, Jim Henson, Dr. Seuss, Mel Blanc ... Sigh ...